this is -- maybe i shouldn't raise this, but obama raised this. obama is always accusing wall street fat cats, always talking about bonuses, obscene bonuses. well, for heaven sakes, jack lew was on wall street for a year. he ran the alternative investments at citibank and he got $1 million bonus to that and $1 million cash compensation on top of that. i don't begrudge him that. i'm a free market guy. but his boss begrudges people who made money and lew did that in one year. if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. >> well, again, he is in sync with his boss, president obama, and i think obama's willing to overlook those transgressions as long as you see the world the way he does. and in terms of governor dean, i almost think i'm re-hearing herbert hoover about the need to fight the deficit by raising taxes. raising taxes -- >> and cutting spending. >> raising taxes is not the way to go. and you look at europe, they're raising taxes, japan is raising taxes and the result is a disaster. as you know, if we had normal growth economy, say 4%, wh